Why Raw Foodists Fail And Go Back To Animal Foods With Nutritional Therapist Adam Greer

The Raw Food Health Podcast

In this episode we continue our interview with Nutritional Therapist Adam Greer. We discuss the nutritional underpinnings of failed raw foodists who go back to eating animal foods, teeth problems, sleep problems, and many other issues.

To hear the first part of the interview, check out episode one.

Other Topics:

– In Andrew’s raw food tip of the week, he tells you what he thinks the single biggest mistake new raw foodists make is.

– Andrew gives an update about his slacklining 30-day-trial, and hints that he’s figured out some type of a fix for the sleep issues which have been dogging him for much of his life.

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Show Notes

Nutritional targets on a raw food diet.



9 Responses to “Why Raw Foodists Fail And Go Back To Animal Foods With Nutritional Therapist Adam Greer”

  1. Rachel says:

    Hi Andrew

    Really enjoyed your podcast…….Adam’s interview was particularly interesting.

    R x

  2. Susan Dunn says:

    Great, thanks…Now I have to go listen to the others. I do not have an Ipod so am listening on the computer. I will be posting this to my FB page.

  3. Marina says:

    U r welcome! Thanks for reading my comment and keep up with the great work!

  4. Susan G. says:

    Hi Andrew, enjoyed PC#3 immensely, learned a lot about protein as I recently wrote to tell you that I’ve only been reaching 50% of my daily requirement – so it’s MORE leafy greens for me AND I do have a Hemp protein on hand, so I’m all set! I totally enjoyed listening to Adam.

    Keep up the good work!

    Susan G.

    • Hey Susan.

      Yep, Greens are the way to go. They will be your main protein source. Nuts and seeds are also fine, provided that you keep your fat intake below 10 percent of calories consumed.

      However, Adam was not endorsing processed hemp protein as a regular source of protein. He was suggesting it only as a stop-gap measure if someone was coming off a high-protein diet and having specific problems.

      If you’re meeting your requirements from leafy greens and nuts and seeds, then I would suggest you not use the hemp protein.

  5. Jake Brittain says:

    5 Star all the way!! My friends and I love the
    Podcast!! Keep’em coming!!

  6. Marina says:

    Hi Andrew!

    This is a great podcast as ever. However, I am a little bit confused. I thought there is no such a thing as a protein defficiency, was I wrong at that belief?

    • Adam beat me to it, but he did a far more thorough job of explaining it than I probably would have.

      I agree with Adam’s take on this.

      It essentially comes down to parsing out exactly what you consider a protein deficiency.

  7. Adam says:

    Hey Marina

    That depends on what you mean by protein deficiency. Generally it is accepted that if one is consuming sufficient calories, it would be difficult to experience protein deficiency – however most people also say that this would only be possible if one were eating only fruit – something which is flippantly disregarded, since most people don’t attempt this.

    In general, the vegan argument, which most lfrv’s take the ‘don’t worry about protein’ stance from, is logical in that protein deficiency is a non-issue. But on a fruit based diet, this is entirely possible, if the diet is not nutritionally sufficient and well planned. There is a reason that there are no exclusive fruitarian societies that have ever been recorded through history – in the absence of nutritional science, advanced cultivation methods and year round tropical fruit supply, it has not been sufficient to support an entire community across the life-cycle.

    Modern fruit based diets have never been experimented with previously, on a long term basis, on an exclusively raw vegan basis. However, with the advent of modern agricultural practices, transportation, and understanding of nutritional science, it is now possible to create nutritionally sufficient fruit based diets on a longer term basis, so a small number of people have begun to experiment with this.

    With protein deficiency in this context, what we are talking about here is limiting amino acids – nitrogen balance studies show that humans have an amazing capacity to adapt to very low intakes of total protein. However the absolute limit to this is 0.29g/kg bodyweight. This figure is based on a specific amino acid composition of the total protein intake. This means that in order to prevent protein deficiency, we absolutely must consume this basic amount of amino acids, or we could run into problems longer term. Only on a fruit diet is this possible.

    If one uses cronometer, it is easily possible to meet or even exceed total protein requirements for the day on a fruit based diet, whilst still not meeting even the most basic amino acid requirements for the 0.29g/kg figure.

    Fruits have low protein and amino acid contents in general. But there is a great variation even within fruits, some being drastically lower than others. If one got a large amount of calories from apples, dates and papaya for example, but ate no greens, nuts or seeds, then it would be easily possible to undereat on amino acids.

    Because there are still micronutrients, nitrogen from total protein and carbohydrates entering the body in adequate supplies, the symptoms may be attenuated, but one could still experience symptoms of insufficient protein, or excessive conservation of protein, on such a diet (eg. cessation of hair replacement, minimal red blood cell replacement, minimal enzyme replacement, muscle catabolism etc).

    This is why many people, including myself, place a strong emphasis on both variety and consuming sufficient greens in the diet.

    In addition, protein requirements and adaptation to lower protein intakes are relative – not everyone can adapt to the same amounts, or at the same pace. And previous dietary intakes will influence this dramatically. If someone has eaten a low protein, vegan whole foods diet, then adopts a lfrv diet, the gradient will not be that significant. However if one has been eating a high protein diet then adopts a lfrv diet overnight, the drop in protein will be much more dramatic, and so the effects of negative nitrogen balance (short term protein deficiency) will be more pronounced.

    Assuming one is consuming a diet that can potentially provide sufficient amino acids and protein (objectively speaking, using dietary analysis software), then the negative nitrogen balance may only be short term (short term being relative, since it could last for several months). But if the diet is not providing adequate amino acids, then the negative nitrogen balance may persist until the diet becomes more nutritionally adequate.

    Take care

    Adam x

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